This episode is now available 1 week early on Patreon! Support the show, get benefits, and help us stay as independent as possible by telling sponsors to f*ck off: https://www.patreon.com/TheDeprogramIt takes one sun to set - for another one to rise. In this episode we're joined by Ben Norton from Multipolarista for a brilliantly insightful overview of the gradual "fall of empire".
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