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	Podcast:		The 21st Century Classroom
	Episode:		#vted Reads: with Bill Rich
	Category:		Education
	Duration:		01:10:09
	Publish Date:		2021-06-25 16:38:31
	Description:		Back on the show: it's Bill Rich! But first: Lovely listeners, a few episodes ago, we turned fifty. Fifty! Can you imagine? It took us a hot minute (and um, more math than we'd care to discuss) to figure that out but this is the season that took us to FIFTY EPISODES. And we are so grateful to all of you for making that journey with us. It has been so powerful to hear from all of you that you are listening, you are pondering, and you're enjoying this podcast as much as we're enjoying making it. Heart. Felt. Thanks. And to that end, in this episode, we welcome back the very FIRST guest we ever had on the show: Bill Rich. Along with the redoubtable Susan Hennessey, Bill runs the Tarrant Institute Learning Lab, now accepting applications for its fifth year, and a whole riot in its own right. Bill and I talked about The Culture Code in the very first episode of vted Reads, back when it was still part of the late great 21st Century Classroom. Bill is back. And this time, we're talking about Giving Students a Say: Smarter Assessment Practices to Empower and Engage, by Myron Dueck. We firmly believe this book can help educators unlock a more powerful arena for respecting student voice, even if the title itself... just might be a misnomer. I'm Jeanie Phillips and this is the end of the third season(!) of vted Reads: a show by, for, and with Vermont educators. Let's chat. The 21st Century Classroom · #vted Reads with Bill Rich Jeanie: I'm Jeanie Phillips and welcome to #vted Reads. We're here to talk books for educators, by educators, and with educators. Today, I'm with Bill Rich, and we'll be talking about Giving Students a Say: Smarter Assessment Practices to Empower and Engage by Myron Dueck. Thanks so much for joining me, Bill. Tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do. Bill: Well, my claim to fame is I was your first guest for episode number one. So I appreciate being invited back, congratulations. And I taught in Vermont schools for 16 years as Language Arts and Social Studies teacher in middle and high school. And then decided I was going to take a different path and work from outside schools to try to make them better inside. So I founded Red House Learning committed to using what we know about the brain to improve what we do in our schools. In addition to working with schools long-term and conducting workshops and writing about that topic, I am the Co-Director of the Learning Lab with Susan Hennessey, your colleague. And I'll probably say a little bit more about that program. But it really embodies a lot what this book is about, but for adults. I also co-direct with Tim O'Leary, What's the Story, which tries to put all these brain-based design principles into action in a way that can be great for students and helpful to teachers looking for a better way. Jeanie: You wear many hats, and yes, you were my first ever guest. My first pilot of Vermont Ed Reads where we talked about The Culture Code. What a fabulous book. I've actually given that book to many people as a gift. I liked it so much. And now we're at the -- this is the last episode of season three, you're our 52nd guest! Bill: Season three. Wow, I can't wait for that door prize. Jeanie: So this is our 52nd episode. And we almost -- we hadn't counted and suddenly I was like, oh my gosh, we've reached 50, who knew, I had done this 50 times. And so thanks for coming back and for choosing this book. Before we launch into it, I want to ask what you're reading right now. Bill: Oh, I'm on the tail end of a tear of reading nonfiction books about breathing and breath. That started with a book by Wim Hof, called The Wim Hof Method. And then James Nestor’s book Breath. And then a guy named Patrick McKeown in the Oxygen Advantage. I was a mediocre athlete throughout my schooling years. And I have learned, I was a horrible breather. I was never taught accurately,
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