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	Podcast:		Still Processing
	Episode:		Nikole Hannah-Jones Knows Why History Feels Dangerous
	Category:		Society & Culture
	Duration:		01:11:13
	Publish Date:		2025-09-18 09:00:00
	Description:		Six years ago, with the publication of The 1619 Project, Nikole Hannah-Jones argued that slavery was a foundational institution upon which the United States was built. President Trump called the project a crusade against American history — ideological poison that, “if not removed,” would “dissolve the civic bonds that tie us together.” Now, his administration is making a similar argument to attack diversity programs, historical discussions of slavery, civil rights and more as he pressures museums, schools, government agencies, national parks and other civic institutions to de-emphasize race. Wesley contributed to The 1619 Project, and he sits down with Nikole to trace the project’s journey from publication to this moment — when Trump has returned to power on a message that explicitly rejected its premise. Thoughts? Email us at cannonball@nytimes.com Watch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@CannonballPodcast For transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/cannonball Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
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