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	Podcast:		Radio Free Leader
	Episode:		0425 \| Ray Fisman & Tim Sullivan
	Category:		Business
	Duration:		00:27:03
	Publish Date:		2014-05-31 16:41:12
	Description:		Ray Fisman and Tim Sullivan are the authors of The Org: The Underlying Logic of the Office. Fisman is the Lambert Family Professor of Social Enterprise and co-director of the Social Enterprise Program at the Columbia Business School. Tim Sullivan is the editorial director of Harvard Business Review Press. In this interview, we discuss why there is no perfect organizational model, the real value of managers, and why even Al Qaeda needed a little organizational structure.
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