THE PROCESS: Part 5 (Presenting Your Designs) – Episode 092

THE PROCESS: Part 5 (Presenting Your Designs) – Episode 092

It’s week 5 of our series on Brandi’s *patented* process. This week we continue our series on Brandi’s design process. This is the sixth and final episode in the series! Brandi gives an in-depth look at 3 different ways of presenting your work. Putting your work out there, digitally presenting it to a client, and formally presenting it to a group. Hope you enjoy this final installment of our process series!

Our Week Recap 

Brandi’s week:

Brandi loves Valentine’s day! It’s not just a greeting card holiday to her. She is loving that the same day they are recording this, they interviewed James Victore. Which that episode is up so you can listen to it hereif you haven’t.

Michelle’s week:

Michelle has a lot going on in her life. She brings a song this week and she has been learning more about the Enneagram. She works with a bunch of type nines and type sevens, and her husband is a type seven.

Step 5 of Brandi’s process/Presenting your ideas:

1. If this is for yourself, presenting would be just putting your design out there

You need an account to show your work. Whether it be social media or a website. This helps with confidence in showing your work because can be a space where you are consistently sharing.

2. If this is for a client, it’s presenting to the client (digitally or in person)

Presenting digitally means a nicely put together PDF.

• How to do this in the preliminary stage, page one tells the client, here’s what I was trying to solve, here’s how I believe I solved it, here’s the reason I did this, this, and this. Please let me know your thoughts. Have each page numbered so the client can easily state which page they are referring to.
• The communication needs to be very clear. And never ask the client “do you like it”.
• When presenting the final product to the client, keep all the first round designs in black and white when possible (logos, etc.). This keeps the client from being swayed by color. Put in your notes to the client that appropriate colors will be chosen once the direction is chosen.
• Then once the final direction is chosen, you send the client another PDF, numbered pages, here’s the problem I tried to solve, here’s how I solved it, here are the words that put me in the direction.
• After this, you’re good to go and you give the client the logo (or whatever you have done for them) on every possible file form and in every possible size, they would need.

3. If for a group of people, presenting in front of a group of people (a formal presentation)

This is the most difficult kind of presenting.

• The most important things to remember are who, what, when, why, where, and how.
• Who is who you are and why you are here. Then talk about your target story. You wrap your whole presentation around your target story, because that’s the most important who in design, who you design for.
• The what, you talk about the thing you have brought to the group. This is where you talk about your problem and the concept statement. When this is going to be a bit fluid depending on what you are designing.
• When is when will the design launch and why it will be at that time.
• Then the where will be where the design will “live” (ads, billboards, posters, etc.). Your audience needs to have a clear understanding of where your design will be in order to know if it will work when they see your design.
  • At this point, you still have not shown them the design. This gives the audience a clear understanding of all the information so that they can know all the facts and decide on the design.
• Why is when you talk about the problem you were trying to solve and the answer to that problem. The answer is your design.
• That then leads you into how, which is the execution. It is explaining your type choices, the colors, the images, everything in the design and how it will solve your problem.
• Finally, find a way to end the presentation without saying “I’m done”. Usually pausing and just saying, “Thank You” works perfectly.

Michelle’s Song:

Eight by Sleeping at Last

This Quarter’s Book:

We are doing book reviews on the podcast every quarter!

If you would like to read along, THIS QUARTER, we’ve been reading, Called to Create, by Jordan Raynor.

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THANK YOU to the ultra-talented  Vesperteen (Colin Rigsby) for letting us use his (“Shatter in The Night”) track in every episode of Design Speaks.

TRANSCRIPTION

Intro: 00:02 Welcome to Design Speaks. This lovely podcast is brought to you by a graphic design geek and a regular human being, AKA a non-designer. We’re here to chat about music, pop culture, cool places, and basically, whatever we feel is relevant.

Brandi Sea: 00:19 Hey guys, I’m Brandi Sea.

Michelle: 00:21 And I Michelle.

Brandi Sea: 00:22 And you’re listening to an epic episode 92. I don’t know why I said that. I just felt like it.

Michelle: 00:27 Feels right.

Brandi Sea: 00:28 Of Design Speaks.

Michelle: 00:29 Welcome to it. On today’s episode, we are going to be talking about the final step of Brandi’s process.

Brandi Sea: 00:36 My brain was, my brain went to the final count.

Michelle: 00:39 (singing) It’s the Final countdown!

Brandi Sea: 00:42 I mean it kind of is the final countdown. This is the last episode in our process series. You guys, holy moly.

Michelle: 00:48 The crowd goes wild. So stay tuned for that. First, we’re going to talk a little bit about our lives and things that are going on.

Brandi Sea: 00:56 Cuz you care so much.

Michelle: 00:57 I know, you Care, you care. And I thank you for that.

Brandi Sea: 01:00 I really think you do care. Sorry.

Michelle: 01:02 Um, well I guess I don’t have a whole lot going on. Well, I have a lot going on in my life. I have a lot going on in my life. Um, but right now I just have like a song. Um, there’s

Brandi Sea: 01:13 We have a song we’d been talking, both of us together have been talking a lot about RN. We always, we, we generally talk a lot about the Enneagram, but I think it’s been more this week for some reason.

Michelle: 01:22 I find that the enneagram like reignites every so often there’ll be like a period of time where I’m like, why haven’t like read about it and like a second and I haven’t thought about it. Like I’m always kind of thinking about it, but really I haven’t focused on it.

Brandi Sea: 01:37 Yeah.

Michelle: 01:37 And then all of a sudden something happens and I’m like, oh my gosh, what’s your like I more people at work have, I know what more people are at work right now and I’m finding out we were, I work with a bunch of nines and a bunch of sevens for those who don’t know what I’m talking about, the enneagram is

Brandi Sea: 01:53 A thing and we have an episode, two-part episode to episode two, part two, part

Michelle: 01:59 A two-part interview.

Brandi Sea: 02:00 There we go. That’s the one.

Michelle: 02:02 Two episodes. It’s a two-part interview with

Brandi Sea: 02:05 Enneagram expert

Michelle: 02:06 Enneagram expert, Chris Heureurtz go back. I think it’s like in the 60s somewhere. I think it’s like episode 68

Brandi Sea: 02:12 Something, something like that. I think that’s right. Look at you, Sean Wes!

New Speaker: 02:15 Oh, I know. Um, so go back and listen to what the enneagram is, it’s for lack of a better term, it’s uh, a way to tell who you are at your core. So it’s not a personality type, but

Brandi Sea: 02:29 It’s like what frames you who like the things about you that you might not understand but wanting to know more about

New Speaker: 02:34 And instead of, um, instead of identifying you with words and it identifies you with numbers. Um, so I am a type nine anyway. I working with a bunch of type nines and a bunch of sevens kind of crazy.

Brandi Sea: 02:47 And your husband’s a seven.

New Speaker: 02:48 Yeah. And I live with a seven. So, um, recently this song, um, released sleep, a band Sleeping at Last. We’ve talked about him as well. Um, his name is Ryan O’Neal. Goes by the band name Sleeping at Last. That’s what he creates things under. And he has been doing a series on the Enneagram. He releases a type, um a song for each specific type. He is slowly but surely making his way through all of these types

Brandi Sea: 03:15 To the final number, which is the nine

New Speaker: 03:16 Final countdown.

Brandi Sea: 03:18 It’s a theme.

New Speaker: 03:20 Um and he has just recently released eight as well as a podcast on the breakdown of eight, which I have not listened to and I’m so excited to listen to it.

Brandi Sea: 03:27 Same it after this recording session is done, we’re both going to do that.

New Speaker: 03:32 Exactly. Um, so my song that I brought to you today is eight and take a listen to it.I I, I’m just going to say right off the bat, it is my favorite.

Brandi Sea: 03:44 Oh

New Speaker: 03:45 It is my favorite so far.

Brandi Sea: 03:47 Bold words

New Speaker: 03:47 So here it is.

Brandi Sea: 03:48 Okay.

Michelle: 04:55 I could let this go on forever because this is this part of the song right here is where it gets like, it started out incredible. Like took my breath away immediately, but oh my gosh. When those, when that beat kicks in, it’s amazing.

Brandi Sea: 05:09 The first word that came to my mind when I heard it, the day it came out was drama.

Michelle: 05:13 Yeah. It’s intense. Um, and I think I love that. So I love that so much because that means as a creative, um, as a, as the songwriter, he really dove deep into who the type eight is

Brandi Sea: 05:27 Which is what he does for everyone.

Michelle: 05:29 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 05:31 Which is incredible

Michelle: 05:31 All of them. But he has shifted. So if you listen to the other songs that are in this, um, in this

Brandi Sea: 05:39 Series

Michelle: 05:39 Series, thank you. He has been assuming the role of that person, which is great cause he’s also a type nine and nines are at the top of the Enneagram and they can kind of absorb any of the types. It’s kind of a one fun thing about me that I enjoy. Like I like being a nine because, so this one was really, really cool and I’ve seen the shift. So if you listen to seven, it’s very lighthearted and fun. And, um, it talks about the seven a lot, obviously, but it’s got a completely different feel and eight has shifted entirely. It’s intense. It’s dramatic. It’s um, straight to the heart and also vulnerable and a really weird way.

Brandi Sea: 06:26 Yeah.

Michelle: 06:26 And I think that’s an eight. So I messaged him on Instagram and I didn’t get a response back, but I said because I’m nine wing eight, which is don’t worry about the wings guys. Don’t even worry about it. Um, I, but I said, my eight wing doesn’t deserve eight. Thank you for obviously pouring your heart and soul into it. I can feel it. And I said, I’m a nine and just want to encourage you, you’re in the home stretch. You can do this one more.

Brandi Sea: 06:46 And he’s an eight isn’t he?

Michelle: 06:47 He’s a nine.

Brandi Sea: 06:47 He’s a nine

Michelle: 06:48 Uh Chris Heuertz. It’s who we interviewed is an eight.

Brandi Sea: 06:51 Oh okay. That’s who I thought you messaged.

Michelle: 06:52 Oh No.

Brandi Sea: 06:53 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Michelle: 06:54 But I did actually mess message Chris and we talked for a bit. Um, I said, um, Hey Chris, since our interview I’ve discovered I’m a nine wing eight. Previously I thought it was a nine-week one. I said I was really confused and my world was a bit shaken because the combination of eights and nine scared me. And I just told them I overall love the the song by Ryan O’Neal and I’m really excited to listen to him on the podcast because Chris Heuertz is on the podcast with Ryan O’Neal for Sleeping at Last and

Brandi Sea: 07:22 Every episode

Michelle: 07:22 Of this series. Um, I said, I can’t wait to listen to the podcast and what you have to say about it on Friday. I’m sure you had a blast and like Asterix talking about your type and I noted the heavy sarcasm and he responded with a bunch of hand claps and he said Nines Make Ma, he said nines might take the longest to self-type, so you’re solid. Um, like it, it took me a very long time and I said, if I’m anything but a nine wing eight, I’m just want to die. I just want to rip my hair out because I’ve like figured this out. But anyway, so that song has been really, really great for me to listen to because I kind of resonate with it a bit and I can just see all of the hard work that he’s put into each of his songs. And I especially feel it now.

Brandi Sea: 08:11 That makes sense

Michelle: 08:12 Because I get it.

Brandi Sea: 08:13 I just really enjoy it.

Michelle: 08:14 Yeah you just really enjoy it

Brandi Sea: 08:15 I’m not anywhere near the eight, like in any possible way.

Michelle: 08:19 You said you listen to three cause you are a type three and you, you

Brandi Sea: 08:24 Cried

Michelle: 08:24 Cried and you don’t do that. And so for me, finally hearing something about me, I’m like, this is it.

Brandi Sea: 08:31 You get it.

Michelle: 08:32 This is it. Like I’ve, I love, um, the four song. I love  one song. Um, all the other songs I’ve thought of are really good, but the four and one have been the ones that I’ve been able to be like, oh yeah, that’s so cool. I get it because I have friends who are and I can kind of, I like, I get it, you know, but eight has been like, no, no,

Brandi Sea: 08:52 Oh, this is part of me.

Michelle: 08:54 I get it. So it’s been really cool.

Brandi Sea: 08:56 That’s great.

Michelle: 08:57 And I’ve talked for too long about it.

Brandi Sea: 08:58 That’s okay. I mean, I didn’t bring a song because I’ve been listening to eight a lot as well. Um, I have less to say about it outside of the fact that it’s like super cool and very dramatic and, um, I love the horns. I love this, the difference of, you know, the feel of it. It even sounds very different from just Sleeping at Last in a lot of ways. It’s not as a theorial and all that stuff, but it’s really great. Um, so yeah, that’s okay that you talked because I didn’t talk.

Michelle: 09:23 Do you have something that you’re loving right now?

Brandi Sea: 09:25 Something that I’m loving right now. I’m Valentines.

Michelle: 09:28 Yeah. It, even when Valentine’s Day is over as it is right now, you still love it. Like the house is still decorated.

Brandi Sea: 09:34 We’re recording these episodes a little bit ahead of time. Um, because uh, full disclosure, like I’m going out of town, Joelle’s going out of town, we had a lot of stuff going on, so we just wanted to make sure that we had time to do all the logistical backend stuff. But yeah, Valentine’s is my favorite holiday. I don’t think it’s a greeting card holiday if you don’t let it be like, I’m not a get 12 roses and get me a pretty card, I want a card of some kind. I want a post-it that says I love you and I appreciate you. Like, I just think that Valentine’s is a really great opportunity to reflect on what love really is and the people that you care about and love them and the way that they want to be loved. And, um, it’s just, it’s a really valuable time for me. I cherish it more than virtually any other holiday. And, uh, so yeah, my house and my family and Valentine’s is like a second Christmas morning around here.

Michelle: 10:25 I was going to say that.

Brandi Sea: 10:27 Yeah.

Michelle: 10:27 I love it.

Brandi Sea: 10:28 I’m just like posting all the things like with my kid

Michelle: 10:31 And see, I worked in a flower shop where I saw Valentine’s Day as the day I have to work really, really hard. And so I’ve, I’ve from, I remember, um, one of the guys, the guy that I worked with, his parents actually own the the, um, flower shop before I started working there. He was, we were talking about how we don’t understand Valentine’s Day. And I was like, I don’t either. Like, don’t buy me flowers, buy me groceries, buy me something I can, I need. Flowers are just going to die. And I’ve held that with me this entire time of like, no 17 year old me is so right. And that was

Brandi Sea: 11:04 Which is a great thing for me though because I really enjoy bringing people over to my view on whatever.

Michelle: 11:09 Yeah. And so it helps me see a different perspective.

Brandi Sea: 11:12 Every Valentine’s I like make you a Valentine.

Michelle: 11:15 It’s good. And it’s, you don’t do it in like a, love Valentine’s Day.

Brandi Sea: 11:19 No. I like to embrace your snarkiness.

Michelle: 11:22 Yeah. It’s good. You, you love me and the way I need to be loved. So thank you.

Brandi Sea: 11:26 That’s what I tried to do. So yeah. Um, so yeah, that’s, I mean Valentine’s, I have a toothache. That’s not inspiring me right now. Um, and uh, we interviewed James Victore earlier today.

Michelle: 11:37 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 11:37 So that was pretty, that was, I was, I’m loving the fact that we finally got to do that.

Michelle: 11:42 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 11:42 Um, so you guys will get to hear that one if you didn’t?

Michelle: 11:46 If you didn’t already question mark. We need to figure out the order of these episodes. But,

Brandi Sea: 11:51 But it happened and it was something loved.

Michelle: 11:53 We know this is episode 92.

Brandi Sea: 11:56 Yes.

Michelle: 11:56 And I think he’s before that. So you’re welcome for the interview with James Victore.

Brandi Sea: 12:00 Hope it was something you are loving right now.

Michelle: 12:03 Exactly.

Brandi Sea: 12:03 Um, so today

Michelle: 12:05 Today we’re going to be talking about the last step of your process, which is

Brandi Sea: 12:09 Present

Michelle: 12:10 Presenting

Brandi Sea: 12:10 Presenting your ideas.

Michelle: 12:10 Ooh.

Brandi Sea: 12:11 Um, and then we’ll just do like a quick recap of all of the things that we talked about the past weeks.

Michelle: 12:17 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 12:17 Like a month and a half.

Michelle: 12:18 Holy moly.

Brandi Sea: 12:18 I don’t know. We stretched this thing out as long as we could, didn’t we?

Michelle: 12:21 I know we really did. We milked this thing, but hopefully not to the point of it not being interesting.

Brandi Sea: 12:28 Yeah.

Michelle: 12:28 We’ve had so much to talk about on every single episode that we even made one, two parts because we didn’t feel like we were giving it justice. So hopefully you’ve enjoyed it thus far.

Brandi Sea: 12:40 Yeah. So, um, I dunno

Michelle: 12:42 Let’s go for it.

Brandi Sea: 12:43 Um, so once, I mean, okay, so up to now you’ve basically done all the work. It’s done, you finished the thing and now it’s like, okay, time to present it. So I think I have like three different angles on presenting that I just decided I was going to have.

Michelle: 13:00 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 13:00 Cause that’s what I do. Um, one is like basically showing your work. So if this is just something that you’re doing for yourself, like just putting it out there. Um, the other one is, uh, presenting to a client, maybe digitally or in person. Um, so I guess I would say like presenting to clients. Um, I’m writing, I’m literally writing this down so I don’t forget it. Um presenting to clients digitally and then I’m presenting your ideas more like more formally, like in front of a, either the client in front of a group of people in front of your boss, like a formal presentation

Michelle: 13:41 For a grade. And, um, also for just having criticism back?

Brandi Sea: 13:48 I would say just like a formal presentation because, um, yes, for, for class or, um, or if you are going to like present to a board room full of people, that’s a formal presentation

Michelle: 14:03 And getting them on board with whatever you’re giving them

Brandi Sea: 14:05 Onboard,

Michelle: 14:06 Onboard.

Brandi Sea: 14:07 So yeah. So I’m going to go over like just putting it out there, um, presenting to clients digitally, which is probably 90% of how I do it. And then formal presentations, which rarely happened, but those are the hardest.

Michelle: 14:21 I imagine there’s like graphs there and everybody’s sitting around a long table in business suits

Brandi Sea: 14:26 Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it depends on your, depends on your clients. Um, so, uh, the, the the first part is like, I think it seems easy, but it’s honestly like one of the harder parts for me and part of, part of just finishing and showing your work is just getting over yourself, kind of. Um, it’s something that I’ve had to kind of embrace and go, okay, I finished this thing, now what do I do with it? Um, so this is a very easy step. The only real hint I have for you on this is to just share it.

Michelle: 15:01 Just do it like Nike, just do it.

Brandi Sea: 15:03 Have a platform. So if you always post like cats and like what you made for dinner,

Michelle: 15:10 It’s probably not your platform.

Brandi Sea: 15:11 You probably need a new account.

Michelle: 15:12 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 15:13 So sidebar, you need an account to show your work, whether that’s on Instagram or Behance. Um, I really think that even if you have a website and you don’t have a social media platform and you just kind of like sprinkle it inside of you, like your personal life

Michelle: 15:27 It’s going to get buried.

Brandi Sea: 15:28 It’s, it’s not gonna, it’s gonna just look really weird, and out of place. So, it also gives you a place where you feel you, you will start to feel more confident in showing your work because this page is for your work. So you want to fill it up with things. So um showing it there is for you, for your personal account, for showing people what you can do. Um, that’s one way of presenting your, your designs, your ideas. Um, the second one is, uh, presenting to clients digitally. So, um, what I do is, um sorry, Jasmine just texted me. Okay. Sorry. I just want make sure she’s okay. Good. Um, presenting to clients digitally for me basically involves, uh, a really nicely put together pdf. Um, so what I do is I have a page. Um, so, so I guess kind of like side sidebar for this one  depends on whether you’re presenting your final idea or like, here’s my idea, here’s my two executions. What do you want to do now? Um, both of them for me and evolve PDFs. So for the first stage, so say I’ve got two versions of this that I want to show them. Here’s two book covers. They’re both the same concept. They both are different executed versions of that concept. Page one of the PDF is a nicely designed, um, page that says, um here, here was the problem I was trying to solve. Here’s how I believe that both of these executions can solve that problem. Here’s the reasons I did this, that, and the other. And please let me know your thoughts. And then number them page one is execution one, page two is execution two. So then when we’re getting feedback over email, they can say in regards to number one, it’s not just like, here’s a whole bunch of stuff. Tell me what you think. You know, it, it really keeps the the whole idea behind presenting your ideas, um, digitally is the communication needs to be very clear.

Michelle: 17:36 It creates a paper trail. It creates accountability

Brandi Sea: 17:41 Reduces misunderstandings.

Michelle: 17:43 It’s, it’s why, I mean, I, I’ve never had to present something digitally to a client just because that’s not my line of work. Um, but in regards to what I do as well as what a lot of people do throughout their day, um, I send a lot of emails and texts. Um, and I prefer that because of what I just said. It’s, it’s digital, so it creates a paper trail. I quote paper obviously, um, and I, I, they, they, I can’t, I can’t go back on it and they can’t go back on it. Sure, tone isn’t there, but maybe I keep tone out of this.

Brandi Sea: 18:21 Yeah, it doesn’t, it’s not,

Michelle: 18:22 It’s just information.

Brandi Sea: 18:24 This is just, here’s what I did, here’s why I did it. Here’s two options that I know will work for you. Which direction would you like to take? And that’s only if I present it two. If it’s one, sometimes I only present one, then it’s here’s this, here’s why I did it. Here’s why it works. Um, let me know if you have any feedback. So it’s not like, do you like it? I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ask anyone, do you like it?

Michelle: 18:51 Right.

Brandi Sea: 18:52 Because it doesn’t matter.

Michelle: 18:53 It’s that it’s not to not, it’s not an option right now.

Brandi Sea: 18:55 Does it, does it work to solve the problem that we’re trying? You know, we talked with James Victore about objective and subjective. It’s like, does this solve your objective? Yes or no? Like,

Michelle: 19:06 Right

Brandi Sea: 19:07 What’s your feedback? And if they say, um, by this time working with me, I’m, I’m definitely not getting questions. Like, I don’t, I don’t like this color. Can you change it?

Michelle: 19:17 Hmm.

Brandi Sea: 19:18 I don’t because I don’t, I don’t take those kinds of clients on. And also I already addressed in every step of this process, why I’ve chosen whatever colors or typefaces or whatever.

Michelle: 19:29 And as said in a previous episode, um, if they have any aversion to a specific color they need to tell you and why, and then you will actually take that into consideration and let them know why or why not will or will not be that color.

Brandi Sea: 19:44 Right. And so that’s already been part of the conversations way before this. So the potential for there being any really like client from hell moments are slim at this point. Slim to none. And I’ve had almost none because almost none.

Michelle: 19:59 And also we’ve addressed this in a previous episode. There are no clients from hell.

Brandi Sea: 20:03 Yeah, there are none. They’re only bad designers who take clients.

Michelle: 20:08 Yes. The end.

Brandi Sea: 20:09 Um, so all that being said, that’s how I present the preliminary part. And then once we’ve gone from there, the final, final presenting is, um, okay. So let’s take the book idea out of this one and replaced that with logo presentation. The first few rounds are all black and white period the end.

Michelle: 20:33 That’s it.

Brandi Sea: 20:33 And when I, when they’re choosing, I don’t want them to have color sway them because color will sway. So present only in black and white. I put in my notes, appropriate colors will be chosen once you choose a direction. And then I will show you what those look like and explained my reasoning. And then the final one is, first page is, then here was the problem. Here’s how I solved it. Here’s the words I used to find this direction and basically, Tada,

Michelle: 21:05 There it is.

Brandi Sea: 21:05 Here it is. Here’s exactly what you wanted and you didn’t know it.

Michelle: 21:08 Yes. How is the sending that email go for you? Like how does that go for you? Um, are you nervous? What does it look like?

Brandi Sea: 21:17 Yeah, I mean, even if I know that this is the, like say this is like the best worker I’ve ever created, which I never feel like that. Once I’m done, I’m like, I could do better, but I got to send it anyway. Um, I’m always just a little bit like, okay, I’m going to hit send.

Michelle: 21:32 And that’s that. Let me read the email one more time.

Brandi Sea: 21:34 Honestly, my biggest fear is not that they won’t like it. It’s that I haven’t explained myself fully. It’s that I have not, um, basically backed up my reasoning enough to them so that they can’t question me. Like my worst

Michelle: 21:48 There’s a loophole somewhere.

Brandi Sea: 21:49 Yeah. My worst fear is that I missed something and that they’re going to go, here’s why this doesn’t actually work

Michelle: 21:55 And then they’re going to be right.

Brandi Sea: 21:56 It’s never, I can honestly say it’s never worked. It’s never happened. Um, the, the one major time that I’ve had pushback back on this was because, um, they just decided,

Michelle: 22:06 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 22:06 You know, they just decided that they didn’t want what, what we had already discussed and that’s outside of this sphere altogether. That’s just a glitch in the matrix. So

Michelle: 22:16 It’s not Deja Vu.

Brandi Sea: 22:17 Yeah. There was not a black cat walking by twice. Um, so

Michelle: 22:22 Anybody born after 1995 go watch the matrix.

Brandi Sea: 22:25 Anyone born after 1995? I’m sorry, but you’re missing out on something.

Michelle: 22:29 Although I have decided sidebar, this is such a sidebar and I’m sorry, I’ve decided that the reason world like dying from all these like cancer is because of the 90s. I’m like, it’s because you may see Wonderbread and like fish sticks and like a healthy version of a drink to you was a Snapple.

Brandi Sea: 22:46 Yeah, right.

Michelle: 22:48 That’s why we’re dying anyway. Sorry, continue.

Brandi Sea: 22:51 So many things.

Michelle: 22:52 Rabbit trail back.

Brandi Sea: