Luke Wessman – The History of the Tattoo

Luke Wessman – The History of the Tattoo

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had the good fortune of bumping into
this very good-looking tall gentleman
who like myself was standing in line for
hours upon hours upon hours because we
were actually caught in Paris there was
a shooting that had happened in Brussels
that year we were caught in Paris and we
stood in line from for many hours and in
that
process we get began talking and this
gentleman for those of you that don’t
know me I’m very small so this guy being
huge we’re like you know these I feel
like a little munchkin but he was so
open and so gentle that I just felt
really comfortable in talking with them
so fast-forward now two years later I’ve
had the good fortune of getting to know
Luke wessman who is an a celebrity
makeup celebrity tattoo artist he
travels all around the world and has
done some amazing things that came from
that 24 hour flight delay when where I
learned about his journey to discover
his passion about the lost art of the
gentleman and his love for tattooing and
being able to translate his vision for
art onto the body so I’m just delighted
to have Luke back with us today because
he’s doing some incredible things
including working with me on a new brand
so welcome look I’m delighted to have
you with us hi Patti what a wonderful
introduction I hear your voice and talk
with you publicly so let for those that
didn’t have a chance to hear your story
back I think it was well I think it’s
been over over a year ago that we did
your your program and you can also go
back in our archives to hear the full
story but let’s do a quick overview and
tell our audience a little bit about how
you got started and you know who you are
today
okay what my might journey into finding
my way into tattooing and the tattoo
culture is a lot of ups and downs and
it’s really hard to kind of sum it up
really quick I’ll do it as fast as I can
don’t worry the empty emphasis is not
unclick I grew up with with hippy
parents that were real creative people
and loving people and kind of taught me
I think what I learned most from them
was creativity and to be aware and
creative so I had a creativity kind of
flowing through my veins
as a young kid and was always doing art
and then kind of found myself in a
rougher area in San Diego County where
there was just lots of gangs and as a
skinny young kid and a nice kid I got I
started to get tattooed I kind of got
him to look tough so I always described
it as armor back then really you know
you tried to look meaner as just a
protection because that’s just kind of
where I came out in the world I was
growing up around all that stuff so
through that I really found the art form
of it you know this was the end of the
90s and I just kind of you know got past
the initial kind of tough guy staying
and then realized there’s this
incredible subculture that filled with
artists and travelers and this
incredible magical really world then was
a little more hidden you know now we
have the TV shows and and museum exhibit
which we can get into later so I had a
guy that I just became friends with that
was doing tattoos on me that if I wanted
to learn and at the time I think I was
about 17 18 and thought about it for a
couple weeks and decided to jump in and
so I’ve jumped in really hard and ended
up you know been doing it the last 20
years I owned a business in downtown San
Diego and the Gaslamp for 10 of those
years I specifically worked in Miami
with the guys that did Miami Ink and had
a really successful TV show help them
run their shop for four or five years
and then came back to San Diego and
reinvented myself moved my business and
kept kept the shop I owned with a
partner and then I moved to New York and
helped them do a show called New York
ink and a little bit on television but
just kind of kept working away at
discovering new levels of art and trying
to enhance my abilities along the way
and then now that I’m older there’s so
much into clean I feel like I’m skipping
so much now that I’m older I’m looking
for new ways to be a better businessman
and not just an artist which is a great
battle you know there’s this man versus
the artist
right right now so but let’s let some
fill in a little bit of the gaps it must
have been incredibly exciting when
tattooing really emerged as that that
hidden subculture as you said and
starting to do the the Miami Ink and the
New York ink
tell us a little bit about that
experience in terms of being part of
bringing that bringing tattooing out
into the into the light you know it’s an
interesting thing because you would
think that tattooers would be excited
about that such a unique profession and
everyone that is an artist it came into
it differently there’s this really tough
protection over the culture so a lot of
our peers especially when the show’s
first started we’re really kind of
negative and protective over it and
didn’t want it you know the TV the shows
you might or show it the wrong way and I
think even to this day a lot of them
still feel like that even though it’s a
you know it’s happened up a little bit
but for me personally I loved it you
know I didn’t want to you know be seen
as a criminal I wanted people to see the
beauty of the art form and maybe the
depth of it and the reasons what before
getting them and you know there’s so
many layers to it even though it is the
real extreme art form so I was excited I
was excited about the boom but there’s a
lot of artists even today that are kind
of grumpy and wish it wouldn’t be get
popular you know because as with
popularity becomes you know comes a lot
of other things so it loses a little bit
of that mystery magic but also gain so
much more right exactly and in that
process and we’ll talk a little bit more
about that world of tattooing later on
in the show but tell us a little bit
about some of the you know things that
you’ve done as projects that one
wouldn’t really connect with being a
tattoo artist I mean you’ve done some
some very interesting things that got my
attention when we met a few years ago
yeah I mean I one of my biggest things
and you know I actually speak at high
schools for branding as an artist and I
and I took kids to say yes to
opportunities and say yes to everything
and so you get to a place where you can
kind of say no to some things but so
anytime something that came across my my
table as a project or art show or an
adventure I would just say yes so I
found myself no painting huge eggs for
big charities next to you know now some
of the biggest artists in the world like
I can’t even think of any better now
having a brain court but aside from just
you know incredible art shows I was you
know found myself doing from commercials
for Chevy and for you know taking trips
for charity to Israel working in a
museum and Israel Kosh would help them
and I feel like I’m just a charities
will you design and you designed some
things for a beauty brand yeah yeah I
really had a really beautiful
relationship blossom with keels I mean
one of the great skincare brands of our
time and the brand has been around for a
long time they approached me to design
some artwork for some of their projects
and I just end up having a really great
relationship with them and some of my
artwork even on the New York Stock
Exchange during some of their charity
events and the amount of things that got
myself into is pretty amazing especially
without having an agent or manager and
this year you have a very special event
that actually is happening next week
from the throne when people are you
listening to this show it will be
happening in LA tell us a little bit
about the Natural History Museum show so
the Natural History Museum’s show just
kind of came out of nowhere I didn’t
really expect to see that doing kind of
represented on that scale this soon but
I was approached by a lady that works
for the museum and she had just reached
out to me and said that she was putting
together a an exhibit after exhibit that
had traveled through Paris Canada yeah
museum is a museum in Canada Field
Museum in Chicago and so the staff you
exhibit has traveled all the way to LA
and as it’s traveled it’s gained
momentum popularity it’s done extremely
well in each one of these accredited
museums so it landed in LA so in LA they
reached out to some local well-known
tattooers
luckily including myself should be a
part of the exhibit to be a live part so
aside from all the artwork that they
have on display they built a tattoo
parlor in the exhibit so during the
weekends during this exhibit they’re
having selected artists do tattoos for
the day
so for Saturday and Sunday of each
weekend during the exhibit they’ve
gotten a local artist that they that
they found or heard about to work so in
January I’ll be doing my weekend January
13th and 14th probably fitting in in
Atlantic Bobby kept chewing live in an
exhibit in the Natural History Museum
and it’s just really incredible for the
tattoo culture to come that far very
very cool and so not only are you an
artist but you will be an art subject
you’ll be the subject of art that’s
that’s exciting and so um do you have a
sense of what or what are some of the
elements of the of the exhibit other
than then then the artist um doing live
work yeah there’s um I there’s a handful
of artists that had done actual kind of
tattoo artwork on prosthetics so they’ll
be like a bunch of limbs like arms that
have really lifelike appearance that
have like full sleeve of tattoos and
they have back pieces that are on
display beautifully done by different
artists and different styles they’ll be
stuck with Japanese will be stuff that
Polynesia and they’ll be traditional
Americana and its really displayed
beautifully and I think as most people
kind of are
little bit interested or a lot
interested in tattooing so look at the
museum it’s just it’s really insightful
and beautiful and when you as you were
starting to get involved with this
particular project and looking at the
various different of forms of tattooing
does that have an influence on the way
you see your work or the kinds of art
that you begin to create as a result of
seeing some of that yes I you know I
catch you in a specific style which is
like really Americana they call it
traditional and it was kind of like tied
to sailors and you know popular tattoos
with the military and you know pin-up
girls roses stuff like that so the more
unexposed like directly to these other
styles the more influence whether it’s
just be subconsciously by staring at it
you know it’s really researching it so I
mixed the museum from the stuff on
displays especially like you know the
timeless styles that are like Japanese
bodysuits
hmm effect it just looks good for so
long so as I look at that I’m trying to
be influenced by it you know and take
elements and and and transfer it into my
own styles work as I always tried to
develop and change you know new
approaches and new angles on my artwork
right now do you think that as you sew
is it if it actually just sort of an
exhibit that is showing these various
different styles or is there a
historical piece the sort of shows the
evolution of the art of tattooing it
seems I mean I only walk through the
exhibit one night on the free opening it
seems it’s more just showing the
different styles more than the complete
evolution I think this exhibit talks a
little bit about the ancient stuff from
what you know 5,000 years ago hmm but it
looks like this particular exhibit show
just shows a little bit more
highlighting the LA in specific la
tattoo culture Japanese culture
using culture so it’s kind of like
separating some of the styles more than
this showing a timeline right well and
then of course I know that you are
working specifically on another brand
new project that involves me so tell us
a little bit about that yeah you know
I’ve been in factoring for over 20 years
I’ve been getting them for 22 years
exactly and as hard as much as I love it
and as hard as I work at it and try to
develop you know new styles to actually
do it you know I really been thinking
for years how can I do something that’s
needed in my industry you know I mean I
as a you know try to be entrepreneur I
always think of what kind of products
and things like it be involved in and
help with and that’s just kind of the
creative side but something that was
really and still is up until you know
you and I create this it’s really
lacking is a captive care the aftercare
the ointments the sunscreen anything
related to caring for your artwork
there’s a huge gap in our industry
there’s companies that get recommended
by artists that have nothing to do with
the culture you know and a little
disconnected from the culture and it’s
such a I think it’s like one in five
people are active now for me to be in
shops 20 years and there has not been a
product specific or artist or by artists
for consumers and artists alike mm-hmm
if it really was blowing my mind so you
know just meeting you and opening up the
really the skincare world and your
knowledge is skincare I mean it just
really made sense to kind of talk with
you and pursue this with you and I’m so
excited to get it going and so and it is
interesting because um you know there’s
and they’re not only I mentioned at the
beginning of the show there’s a little
bit of a difference in our height but
there’s a little bit of a difference in
our age as well and I have no tattoos
anywhere in fact for many years I used
to say
um known lasers no needles no knives
however I have succumbed to both the
laser and the needle but the extent of
my tattoos is my eyebrows and my
eyeliner which I absolutely love
and as I was starting this project with
with Luke and he’s we’re learning I’m
learning more about the art form and I’m
touching his skin because I really I
needed to better experience it so we had
a few touching experiences don’t tell my
husband okay Luke but you know to be
able to understand the texture and
things like that it occurred to me that
I’m can I’m gonna sir come here I’m
going to end up with a tattoo at the end
of this project and I I you know I’m
trying to figure out how to break that
to my husband and then I would be the
excuse oh yeah what I loved about this
process though is really understanding
from a from a skin perspective what or
what are some of the the issues and you
talked a little bit about you know
there’s that one part of prepping so so
what are what are some of the
complications that get in the way as a
tattoo artist
to really being able to do a great job
on a brand new fresh tattoo well I mean
it’s there’s so many variables all right
so you get the the idea so you work the
client with the idea you talked about
what they want to show you the
references or their ideas and so
whatever their design you end up with
it’s just the very beginning so the the
you know the fusing the idea the
placement and then once you get to the
person the actual skin there is so many
different files and types of skin
involved with that so a design that I
put on one person can look completely it
can be so much more technically
difficult than putting it on another
person the same design mm-hmm the same
person in a different part on the body
the skin elasticity is so much different
and some one part of the body to another
you know you get older scan you get
paper skin you get you know
african-american keloid there’s so many
layers to it to understand so I’ve got
one of my favorite things about talking
with you about this whole thing and
working with you
is just kind of getting to know more of
a scientific aspect if I see how they
heal and it in over 20 years I’ve seen
you know and I’ve learned things just
from watching but it’s been really
wonderful to kind of talk with you back
and forth and and and and some
dermatologist that we’re working with
just to see the scientific aspects of it
and how we can improve on that right all
right well we’re going to take a break
and when we come back we’ll share with
you our creative process and how Luke
and I go back and forth and talking
about the world of tattooing how it’s
involving and how we can help people who
are you you are wearing or would like to
wear a tattoo what are some of the
interesting things that we’re talking
about so stay with us we will be right
back
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healthy life net and I am here with Luke
wessman he is a celebrity tattoo artist
I keep wanting to say makeup artist and
he certainly isn’t that who I have had
the distinct pleasure of getting to know
over the last couple of years and
together we are working on a tattoo
concept of bringing a brand to market in
2018 that will contribute to the world
of tattooing so Luke let’s talk a little
bit about how the world of tattooing has
evolved in terms of the tools themselves
the inks and the and the appliances that
you use have they have they evolved
significantly over the years you know
what see along with what I was kind of
saying earlier there’s a lot of
stubbornness in the in the tattoo
industry as a whole they’ve kind of
fought a lot of new things which is
really strange to me that for the
machines I mean even from I think is
1891 when the first patent came on a
machine actually the majority of typing
scenes have not changed since then Wow
they’ve been you know there’s been
variations of them but the actual the
actual most classic tattoo machine code
that far back and it’s still being used
today for the most part Wow crazy
there’s a lot of kind of traditional
kind of traditional culture where people
really want to hold on to it but having
said that there’s a whole new crop of
youngsters and in the industry today
that are looking for ways to improve
technically more than anything as the
artistry has always been the big thing
to improve the artistry and the
sensibility and the you know the skill
of an artist because I always say
there’s a half-and-half where it’s a
crap
and in our form Celie you learned all
the techniques plus you you know it’s
learn as an artist how to you know
design better mmm right and what about
the what about the inks have they have
they changed the inks have just reverted
to much more natural properties mm-hmm
you know I’ve never gotten into too much
of the details but I know that early on
when I first started there were in
companies that were putting plastics and
stuck in their inks Samarra make colors
brighter you know they were trying to do
the black light inks and things like
that that had a lot of unnatural
properties that became a really nuisance
to the healing effective so I think the
industry was forced to go natural so
most the inks nowadays are vegan or
close to be like completely natural
product and and so one of you know as we
look at someone going in there as you
said earlier there’s the design aspect
and then there’s the placement of it but
then there’s the actual skin itself and
that becomes a palette we talked a
little bit about a preparation process
what are some of the things that are
necessary that you look for in order to
know that the skin is really ready to
accept a tattoo you know I think one of
the most important aspects is strong
collagen right so you can you can kind
of help me on that I mean does that can
it breaks down as we get older I believe
so strong collagen and exfoliation I
mean those are kind of the main things
that which started like what our canvas
looks like health stuff is the skin how
tidy again and what’s really exciting
and I think part of our our synergies in
this brand is to really realize that
chemistry has come a long way and and
our knowledge about how the cell works
how cells receive energy and how that
energy translates in the cell into
keeping that cell vibrant all of that
knowledge is really knowledge that that
the industry the cosmetic industry has
only gained in the last 10 or 15 years
DNA testing has become more viable as
the mapping of all of the chromosomes
and the DNA in the in the body all of
that knowledge is really relatively new
and so we now have tools in terms of
cosmetic chemistry that actually allow
us to rebuild or strengthen collagen in
the skin and if you are working with
skin that is taut and the fibers are
tight how it is it does it change is it
just accept the pigment better is that
the reason why stronger skin tissue is
the ideal yeah I mean it’s just kind of
I think is the cells are you know I
don’t know how exactly it works I
typically but so if it’s a thin paper
skin you know the ink as it goes in can
just kind of spread no you know the I
don’t know if it is the collagen gone at
that point or it’s just so is the
structure of the epidermis is just like
it LT feels loose right right well the
mortar that holds it together and
actually the fibers themselves we I was
our previous show we were talking about
hair and hair and skin are both made of
collagen in hair it’s called keratin
because it’s hardened collagen but
essentially as that material that fiber
breaks down it’s like a sponge a sponge
when it’s brand-new it absorbs really
quickly it’s got a stiff structure to it
and as it ages those fibers begin to
fall apart and that’s exactly what
you’re seeing with a thinner skin and
thin skin can happen because of Aging it
can also be hereditary in terms of the
lighter the skin pigment a lighter skin
person will tend to have a thinner skin
than somebody that is darker although
the the opposite is true too in terms of
the darkest and dark african-american
skin and your and your really
sub-culture territories in Africa the
the darkest of dark skin is also very
very fragile and very very thin so lots
and lots of factors that that go on when
we Lucas
we were beginning to talk about this we
talk first about that whole prep process
so anything that we can do we’re looking
at being basically some preparation
aprotic that will help to exfoliate but
also build up the collagen but I loved
our conversation around once you have
actually started the tattoo it’s that
process of healing in the past you guys
have always recommended some kind of
lubricant just to keep it hydrated but
what are some of the problems that you
see with just the things that are on the
market for lubricating during the time
that the healing is taking place well I
mean the main problem is there’s you
know if I some just you know there’s a
blockage that happens with some of the
stuff being a lot of people apply to
generously and there’s a you know a lot
of pimples that break out in areas and
you know people are trying so many
different products that the tattoo isn’t
able to heal naturally so it’s getting
clogged it’s getting blocked so nothing
that’s you know nothing there’s nothing
designed yet to really aid in the tattoo
healing process there’s that I found you
know and in my 20 years you know it’s
usually application and then you hope
that the client once they go out there
don’t don’t use too much of the wrong
stuff you know cuz in year they’re
coming back to get stuff Nick’s right
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know from when you do it so that’s two
or three weeks so when is healed so and
I’m particularly excited about this
particular category and as we wrap up
this segment I’ll just give give our
audience a little bit of a hint that one
of the things that we know from a
scientific perspective is that in the
healing process the ones that you want
to do to optimize the healing of the
skin is never to allow a cut or wound to
scab you want to create enough
lubrication on the surface of the skin
that rather than scabbing it stays clean
and fresh so we’re looking at products
that have an antibacterial component to
it but is going to keep the skin
lubricated so that
that scar or that tissue heals without
scar tissue so that’s particularly
exciting so we’re going to take a break
and when we come back we’ll talk a
little bit more about building your own
brand and why Luke is doing this and
some of the visions that we have for the
brand so stay with us we’ll be right
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welcome back this is patty Schmucker and
you’re listening to radio a and B on
healthy life net I’m here with Luke
wessman and we who is a celebrity tattoo
artist that I had the opportunity to
work with and together we are working on
a brand of products that are going to be
specifically designed to help people who
either want to tattoo or already have a
tattoo so Luke let’s talk a little bit
about building your own brand now you
you have you’ve got one brand which is
your tattoo work that you do but you
have another brand the art of a
gentleman tell us a little bit about
that okay yeah so what some of the
gentleman was just kind of a it was an
idea sparks from being a single man
dating in New York City I moved there
and was single for the first time mother
lives in my mid 30s and I was dating and
I’ve always thought of myself as someone
with a strong moral compass and an
observance of what’s going on around me
and I just kind of focused on and
preference that it was a time when
Instagram just started it was the
Instagram boom it started to be a
platform to put thoughts ideas photos or
photos and ideas around and thoughts so
I was dating so I was just kind of
leaning on the idea of promoting what I
believe to be to this day you know ideas
of morality and adulthood and manhood
feminism and social awareness and so
also the gentleman just became a
platform for me to kind of express you
know my personal ideas of what you know
maybe the gentleman I’d like to be or
hopefully in or and and be a an example
which is more relevant today than ever I
think so what a good man is or a human
even yeah absolutely it really is
interesting and we’ll talk more about
that but when you when you began putting
some of those thoughts together what
what are some of the important messages
that you felt was part of the lost art
of the gentleman and you know classic
things like chivalry and classic things
like paying attention to your children
you know teaching them the value and not
to Christ and you know somewhat cliche
things but just really kind of packaged
nicely you know and but there’s so much
you know it’s not really like one
specific thing but I think you know
having a good conscience and and yeah
and bend morality and integrity and all
those words you know actually putting
those into practice so I don’t know that
there would be like one you know
specific definition or even example
there’s just so much you know there’s so
much and as we say I’m a freemason I’m a
Mason and one of our main things is is
guard your action mm-hmm um you know you
know acting in a manner that is
respectable and and you know full of
good character and really leaning on the
on the on your good conscience in this
in and of course this when did you when
did you begin developing the brand of
the lost art of the gentleman I started
doing it probably 2013 and big okay yeah
and in in and in light of the world that
we’re living in and depending on when
you’re listening to this radio program
we
are in the world when environment here
in the United States in which all sorts
of high-profile people from politicians
to entertainment to business I just
picked up the latest version of People
magazine and there is a two-page spread
of the list of all of the men who have
been accused and/or have taken
responsibility and most not taking
responsibility of some form of
harassment in the market in the in the
workplace and women are there is the me
to campaign that has erupted in social
media where women are finally stepping
up and stepping out and saying something
I was delighted this week for the first
time we are 11 months since the current
president was elected who had all sorts
of accusations made against him and all
of those women went away after he was
elected and now they have voice they are
they are being heard nothing seems to me
to be more relevant as a brand than this
idea of the lost art of a gentleman when
you began talking about that four years
ago
what kind of response would you get by
from from other males as you began
talking about some of these concepts so
there’s definitely some kind of pushback
you know that that that quote-unquote
boys club is very prominent in our world
even today you know to me now obviously
everyone’s really watching what they do
and say but I mean we all grew up in
especially me now almost 40 and they
grew up in an environment boys club
where it was cool to be a misogynistic
man so you know sleep around to mistreat
women and not always outright for the
lot sometimes more subconsciously but I
think out of all this you know that
generation really I think was full of it
and I think we’ve just hit the very tip
of the iceberg here I think we’re going
to be shocked on all the other I mean we
had Bill Cosby
we had Matt Lauer we had all these you
know prominent figures in our bringing
and I think that’s just the tip of the
iceberg
unfortunately what that’s going to do
though is it’s really going to you know
changing our culture now this is
changing our culture for the better and
it you know these brave women coming out
these men that are standing behind them
and supporting you know and I think
ultimately were you know this is a
really uncomfortable time for a lot of
treats and I think there’s a pretty good
thing yeah absolutely but in it and it
is when it when a watershed moment
occurs it does take a while I’m of that
age where I was in my probably early 30s
when I need a he’ll testified against
Clarence Clarence Thomas for those of
you that weren’t don’t understand that
history Anita Hill was a lawyer and she
worked at the Justice Department
I believe with Clarence Clarence Thomas
who was being nominated to the Supreme
Court and she had experienced sexual
harassment from him in a hostile work
environment and when he was being
nominated the Supreme Court she stepped
up and she testified and said hey this
person does not deserve to be on the
Supreme Court and this is the reason why
and we heard it we allowed her to
testify our society allowed her and we
were spellbound for the days that she
testified our country and was at a
standstill but what I thought was really
interesting for me as a woman in my
probably mid-30s was the next day after
she testified there was a difference in
the way that men showed up they either
showed up very aware and apologetic to
me because they knew based on her
testimony that the way that they had
treated me in that work environment was
wrong or they showed up with a complete
you know I have no idea what who Anita
Hill is or the third that showed up was
saying you think that selection
harassment let me show you what sexual
harassment is and for some of us it got
worse rather than getting better so
it’ll be very interesting to see we’re
going to take a break but it’ll be very
interesting I want to talk a little bit
more of
out what do you you know what do you say
to two women in the workplace today as
that we begin to see this shift in the
mores of our society so stay with us
we’ll be right back
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hey thanks for staying with us this is
patty Schmucker your host here at Radio
AM be on healthy life net and I’m here
with Luke wessman who is a celebrity
tattoo artist who is working with me to
bring to market a brand of products that
are going to be specifically designed
for people who want and have tattoos so
um what Luke we’ve been talking a little
bit about the world of tattooing which
is a world that has evolved I mean it
was really taboo for many many years to
you know be able to get a job you know
people said you can’t tattoo and that
kind of stuff
it’s a change in society that has
occurred we were talking before the
break about what’s happening with
regards to the situation with so many
people coming forward and talking about
sexual harassment in the workplace what
do you say because as a male I love that
being able to have this conversation
with you as a male when a female finds
herself in a situation where she is in a
hostile work environment like that what
do you recommend what do you think that
that a woman should do or say to protect
yourself I mean that’s I guess that’s
been one of the hardest things right the
catch-22 or in the end historically
women were afraid to say something cuz
it was their position and you know the
man has the solution Apparel held over
them but I think now women are taking
that respect they’re taking that respect
back and I think that what the louder
they are is the better it’s going to be
you know and it may be something that’s
uncomfortable for a minute but it’s
ultimately it’s really forcing this
change in our society and it’s going to
make that work work place full equal you
know like Bigfoot quality that was
lacking in the you know 60s and 70s and
80s and 90s and you know
even now it’s all being forced to change
by these strong women that are coming
out and you know I texted this girl the
other day and she was a teacher and just
a frail young girl and I did this really
big rose on her hip so you want to go
this bacon I’m like why do you want to
go so Pig and she said I want to be bold
no and I think that is what’s happening
with the women today and it’s a
unfortunate that it has they have to do
it but it’s wonderful because they’re
making change they’re making change for
themselves and ultimately for us all
because I’m a firm believer in total
equality you know human on human without
any gender based judging you know and
it’s the involving of women is gonna
force us all to be better people
absolutely absolutely and I think
there’s that balance because it’s
important to be bold and it’s also to be
the things that you talked about in the
lost art of a gentleman I I actually
would say that there’s a companion brand
to that and that is the lost art of of
being human which is respect and
courtesy and compassion and all of those
kinds of things I want I definitely want
women to take care of themselves I mean
for as a woman almost at the age of 60
the way we took care of ourselves was
that if we had a creep that was creating
an environment I was strong and a
creating in a hostile environment
I was bold and strong enough and had my
moral compass in place so that I knew
when to giggle and and and and and blow
it off walk away and if I was too
threatened I tell somebody to back the
truck up you know and and and hold my
ground but it’s also the other side is
women being responsible to also not make
big mountains out of molehills
you know there’s no reason to blow
things out of proportion so some of that
balance has to take place and as we as
we talk in this show we’re talking about
how society is changing I think it’s
interesting that change happens slowly
but when it
it’s it’s it will never go back to being
the same and I think that that’s
probably true with regards to this issue
about the hostile workplace but also
with regards to tattooing how exciting
the tattooing is becoming mainstream
enough that that it is in a public
museum that you’ll be at this this next
week showing what you do yeah it’s a
beautiful thing you know change and
openness
it creates a lot of new space and when
when you think about you’ve been like
you said earlier in the show you’ve been
tattooing for 22 years it seems like
it’s a very intimate talk about in that
environment what do you do – or what do
you find in terms of creating that
intimacy with both men and women the
kinds of conversations that you have I
would think from the many hours that
you’re involved in doing a tattoo that
it could be pretty intimate oh yeah I
leave a tattoo session kind of looking
back going wow I feel like a therapist
today you know and I jump right into
people’s lives you know and I’m I
personally just think it’s wonderful you
know I’m in a place to gain empathy in
all levels because I’m learning about
every single clients life therapy for a
half-hour or six hours or a 40-hour back
piece I’m really connecting with another
human and I really respect the intimate
space of a tattoo you know it’s it’s so
many more levels just then art but it
you know it’s all revolving around the
art and do you feel that that that
connection on a human basis has allowed
you to develop the stronger moral
compass as a gentleman yeah I think so I
mean I think empathy is probably one of
the more important you know things that
a lot of us don’t necessarily all have
you know putting the shoe on the other
foot seeing someone else whose lives you
know and understanding them and I think
you know with our society and its
current images administration and
everything
going on and empathy is probably one of
the more important things that we can
all kind of try to get more of and I get
that by talking to people and and I’m
sit down with people and what do you say
to your fellow boys club members who all
they’ve known is how to function based
on the old mores how do you bring them
into the modern era of being compassion
and having empathy I mean I think the
best thing for me for me the best thing
is always to spend with lead by an
example mm-hmm it’s hard to preach of
people and change people by a word seems
to change better so you know obviously
not um feeding any fire and jumping in
you know making someone feel comfortable
in a in a locker room type talk and
actually making them uncomfortable I
think then just yeah lead by leading by
examples you know right right well it’s
some of the reasons why I’m delighted to
call you partner and to have an
opportunity to explore this new brand
with with you where we will have an
opportunity to maybe lead by example
with regards to the art of tattooing and
how it can be an a pleasurable
experience and expressing the art form
of your individuality can be an even
better experience so thanks for taking
the time to share with us today and for
joining me on this journey to take this
make this new brand yeah thanks for
having me in a honor to work with such a
such a wonderful professional and
someone that knows a lot of stuff that I
don’t and vice versa
all right well that’s going to do it for
us today keep keep your eye on Luke and
I as we develop this amazing brand and
thanks for being with us today
next week I have no idea who we have on
the show but it will be great so don’t
miss it I’m Patti Schmucker thanks for
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