You will want to listen to this episode of RadioAMB where Patty Schmucker speaks with one of the founders of 18.21 Man Made’s Aston LeFon. Aston, after working within the beauty industry for years discovered a gap in the Men’s grooming market. Partnering with Angel del Solar and David del Solar, the three began developing a line of men’s grooming products inspired by prohibition era and the bootlegging culture. Transcript: broadcasting from Manhattan Beach and the World Wide Web you’re listening to CHS are healthy life dotnet as a service to our listeners this program is for general information and entertainment purposes only CHS are healthy life dotnet does not recommend endorsed or object to the views products or topics expressed or discussed by show hosts or their guests we suggest you always consult with your own personal medical financial or legal adviser we think pretty is pretty important in all things and beauty welcome to radio a and B designed for those who want to live a long and vibrant life I’m patty smoker I’m a licensed cosmetologist has been in the beauty industry for over 40 years Radio AM B stands for american-made beauty and it’s where we tell the secrets behind the making of health and beauty products our program sponsor today is Alex and take custom nail color personalized Beauty has arrived and it’s really easy to do download an app snap a picture tap a color name your 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in these emerging brands we are always delighted when we see what we think of an arch little circle as lightning in a bottle my guest today is one of three partners in a company we think might just be that 1821 man-made is a Texas based business owned and operated by on hill del Sol our Austin Lafont and daveed del Sol are they are three hard-working gentleman that share a passion for making premium uncommon goods that gentlemen take pride in owning welcome hacen I’m delighted to have you with us well I’m delighted to be here Patti thanks for spending time with me yeah absolutely so I’m a brand specifically made by men for men tell us a little bit about your background and what we’re where did you start that led you into an industry doing hair and and focusing on building up a beauty brand how about men making products for men who would guess right right that you mentioned upfront sets that founded the business there’s a myself Acton and then Al and daveed and we have different areas of expertise but but when you put the three of us together we’re like really one kind of great guy all right so we all collaborate on everything we collaborate all the big picture stuff but then individually we each have different histories and different responsibilities with 18:21 and one of the things that we that we actually share is this mindset of deconstruction right so in our kind of unique areas of expertise we tend to teach things apart that we think are the way things are being done most commonly and try to put them back together in a way that somebody might find more special or more unique so just to kind of start I guess with myself again I Madsen and I don’t have quite as long into businesses you Patti you’re beating me out there but have twenty years in the professional beauty business and I’m on the side of the business itself right I’ve never spent time behind the chair my mother was actually a professional hair designer and in my teenage years she transitioned from being behind the chair into working for a manufacturer manufacturer which eventually became pretty well known and during her time there I just became interested in in the business I thought it was something that like this is something I can become passionate about and so I tend to more focus on retail good service opportunities in business strategies but I feel like the flan or barber industry is is missing something that that they’re not currently supporting that you can insert into their business and help grow their business but also you know unique solutions that knowledge is grow their business but can elevate their service experience for those gifts that they serve make those guests feel more special because that’s what it’s really all about right and so your mom was mom was well in the in the salon and worked for a manufacturer yeah yeah I mean if you know if you spent time behind the chair it can become a pretty challenging order pretty hardcore your boss after a while right right it’s a physical job yeah yeah your knees your hips your shoulder hurts your ribs everything after a while it’s just no good and she she ended up working for for a manufacturer called joique oh okay and and that was something where you know I really kind of realized well there’s a totally different there’s a totally different side to this and in the beginning of my own the bend hey you know you’re a teenage kids you want to go to night club and had that teacher that cigarette go on them uh-huh what’s the night club that sounds fun to a fashion show that sounds interesting you know but but I I started myself down a path at a very young age manufacturing products in that sense so I realized you know very young that when models were at a show and they would use hair color on them and apply it very quickly that a lot of times their their skin would get stains or clothes to get stained and so back in the late 90s I created a product called color off the really effectively removed haircolor stains from clothing and from skin without agitating the skin or affecting the hair color the spa’s done an interesting and so I worked that through distribution channels invaded into you know great distributors like BSG and Sally’s and eventually I sold the company and later started a business importing a brand from Spain called called LACMA here for the first time in the US and ran a business for several years in Texas and ended up transitioning that business to it someone else after a few years because the importing was just so challenging and beyond that I’ve been able to work for some really good manufacturers some really good distributors have had some really good mentors and just have really helped me kind of grow in my career so that I could help other people grow or again you know feel better about the way that they look or offer some inspiration for them to feel better about themselves so you won’t you’ve always yeah so you’ve always been on the business side of it I mean I’m you know my good friend Joe mas Thalia working with uh with the lack mean bringing that broadened product into the law into the u.s. funny because hearted distributing and really he became like a hub for LACMA in the u.s. several years after I had had it uh-huh he didn’t know that I existed and I was very disconnected from Lima at that point so I didn’t know he existed and we popped up into his office one day to talk about a brand that I’ll tell and I were looking at the distributor here in Texas that we owned and we just started talking on it realized oh wait a minute we have that in common so but he’s a really wonderful guy I like Joe I think we’ll see him soon it caused a problem yeah absolutely so you you went through these various different iterations of bringing business opportunities in the in the in the beauty industry and so how did you get involved with on Helen and Davi yeah Davina are brothers so they’ve known each other for a little while because that’s where this connection happened oh no and I were working for a manufacturer of probably about nine or ten years ago called enjoy out of Oceanside California and I’m not working for enjoy the guys who own enjoy Patrick and Gordon are just some really strong mentors for me I learned so much there and I really appreciated the time there I was actually supporting their their business initiative here in Texas and uh how was their education creative director and so on how was the guy who spent you literally 50 50 weeks as a year on the road in front of salon owners in front of stylists giving them cutting education and business education to help them have better skills that treat their guests better and I was on the same side but in a different ways talking to those stylists and owners for how to take care of their guests to the better way and so I’ve brought in on how one time into Texas and he he did a class and I had never heard of him or her seeing him and he had an accent I didn’t always understand what he was saying like wow this this is the first education class that I’ve seen where it’s a hundred percent usable everything that he’s showing you is based 100 percent in reality all of the messaging that he’s given you is a hundred percent honest and he’s basically saying look if you’re a salon owner if you’re dealing with men screaming whatever your expertise is I’m going to show you a way to do that work in a quicker more efficient way and make the service more special for the guests and that was exactly the the mindset that I was having but I didn’t always have that particular tool to give them so I was trying to kind of supplement my lack of that with other things and other strategies and so I started utilizing Hong house just constantly we became good friends when he would come into town it was dinner with the family and you know come over and let’s watch the show so so we ended up becoming good friends and after a few years working together and enjoy we started our own distributor here in Texas we both left Cohn credible culture where we were facilitating our own educational initiatives and distributing top-tier goods for mostly women from other manufacturers again focused on those missing pieces right right brother DeVito stole our to help us out with uh with the manufacturing the manufacturing pieces we started to get into thinking about 1821 and and so dahveed specialty was more on the manufacturing side well these are completely different histories and then the two of us here on how comes from being a salon owner and education and I come from manufacturing of business and import and distribution Devine has a history of being a chemistry and chemistry in history but he also was a deconstruction chef and a licensed cosmetologist oh wow what a nice combination so so what when you think about this mindset that we all have deconstruction I like to pull the business part put it back together a unique way Alex pulls a hair cut in the education part put it back together unique way and if he likes to look at these you know common characteristics of product offerings or the ideas that we might have for our next tribute item to help somebody out or make them feel better and just tell them apart find out what’s common and put them back together in a unique or uncommon way you know if things are typically in plastic with a label let’s talk about you know glass with hand painted or specifically you know a solid wax that they eat up in your hands you know maybe that’s trying to make it soft and whipped or more easier to use so we need to be just focused more on the manufacturing of piece which extends into you know the design of the products and everything so we can all collaborate on everything and but we all have our kind of different areas of expertise iam well and and so as you guys came together well first of all my burning question is what is a deconstruction chef yes yes and yours are lobster and the the server comes out and they put a bowl of foam in front of you I ordered lobster well it’s foam but when you taste the phone in case like lobster okay so it’s just trying to take something that you’re familiar with and just reassembling in a way that it starts to feel more special right right right okay all right well that was that that I’m sure everybody else was burning to know the answer to that question and and we’ll see construction chef in Spain I know it’s simply that to be particularly fond of well I mean after I’ve definitely look him up but so what was it about the men’s grooming experience that led you guys to start thinking about the gap in the market yeah there’s a few things one from the professional side the gap in the market and then the other just you know being man and realizing that men weren’t always being supported in a very special way right mm-hmm a few years ago we noticed this movement among men where men were more than ever actively seeking out elevated grooming goods but they couldn’t always find a product offering to match to the desperation and so you know again just being men we understood how most of the products for men look how they felt the experience of using them but we realized that a lot of these products that were out there shared similar characteristics just in a lot of different pricing levels mm-hmm so there was a six dollar bottle of tea tree at the grocery store and a 24 dollar bottle of tea tree at a salon and we just didn’t get the difference between the students the same exterior and so you know we felt like the Society of men just deserved a more elevated option something special something that they would actually take pride in owning right something that we felt like was missing from hair products from styling products this sense of pride of owning them adjust hair products were somewhat a throwaway and then you know we also realized a missing piece in the professional beauty industry because this was a fusion this was before a lot of these really awesome fine men’s grooming locations started popping up or traditional barber shops kind of redundant as more elevated way started popping up so a lot of men just ended up showing up at high-end salons either by referral or just walks into the door thinking that we’re going to get a more elevated experience and many times the professionals were using the women’s product on the men mm-hmm and the men would pop into the salon and it’d be like well we’re not prepared for this guy who is this guy you just walk it in I have a color processing so I’ll just kind of fit him in well this is processing and get him in and out right there a way to kick it up to another level and in the salon guests that were that were visiting the salon said the man they were mostly not taking the resale items home with them they’re using the women’s product for them and they didn’t always speak to the gentleman to want to take them home and and we know from being on our side of the business that you know if the guests don’t take home the products if they don’t take home the knowledge of how to style their hair that that negatively impacts the salons attention to retain and keep that client but also that the gift can look good when they’re not at the farm and they’re not at the barbershop right which which helps them get referrals right the better they look all the time the better for that long professional and so we collected you know our nearly 50 years of combined experience and put our brains together and started to craft the culture bids that we now call 1821 minute to solve these a couple of problems and and was there also a experience that was occurring in terms of as you said men were seeking a more elevated grooming experience so that it was also about sort of a a more intentional look that there really wasn’t products to fulfill that that’s definitely part of it because you know there’s there’s a lot of them I feel like culture is moving you know the cycle of looks and culture is like it’s it’s cycling faster than ever now and we’re kind of at the point where we’re just anything goes for anybody all the time and there’s a lot of different relevant looks versus you know one look that’s trending and then it just disappears on another one trend you know right now you might have a look of you know loose disheveled texture hair from you know the cafe racer days or you might have a military or prohibition style kind of crisp look mixed in with you know and that could be for a manner or an androgynous look for a woman and so kind of anything goes now a lot of the products that we see were based on a certain point in time where few brands were very successful you know I love brands like American Crew and Paul Mitchell Mitch I think what anybody there’s anything good for men is good by up mm-hmm and so I think what happened so they were so successful with the movement they created they were so successful the products they created that a lot of the entrants that came after them we’re just really copying them right and so what happened is you know the market just gets flooded with copycat products that all look and feels the same and some of those were centered around a specific trend at the time or specific workers specific cut and so we noticed that there are a lot of SKUs and not a whole lot of versatility like and we were far more interested in you know being previous salon owners or just being men and having products that it was a limited range was a more limited offering it was easier to understand if I’m a consumer man looking at it or on the floor and I’m thinking about my overhead to have less products do more function products doing less function and kind of cannibalizing each other right and so what was it the where’s the 18:21 where what’s the inspiration there that you felt met the gap that was in the marketplace well kind of to the point of we felt like a lot of the goods were sharing these this common theme or these common characteristics I mean it almost felt like for us that there was a prohibition placed on vens product that they had to be a certain way right the heritage of our namesake is just a reference to the 18th amendment which started the prohibition of alcohol in the early 1900’s in the 21st amendment which which ended the prohibition and and that’s a point of time that’s well known for bootlegging when the government came in and took away everyone’s alcohol there were people that still wanted that alcohol and so you know bootlegging moonshining speakeasies all that went underground and as we were putting together our our goods we were assembling the components and just communicating how we want the user experience to be for the for the consumer how we want the product of function for the professional because they have high standards for performance the laboratories that compose people everybody was leading us back to now it should be tea trees should be black and chrome it should be bit because that’s how it’s done for men and we just you know it started to feel like we were kind of bootlegging pulling a whiskey flask from this industry and I and the idea of a honey tobacco from the pipe tobacco physician and just trying to take these things that were not doing and put together a brand that felt masculine felt well-crafted and had the spirit of kind of bootlegging in it to feel special right right all right well that’s a that is part of what I just love about this and I remember when one of my team sort of forged out ahead and came back and said oh you have got to go and see this brand that has this amazingly delicious aroma and so when we come back we’re going to talk a little bit more about 18:21 and what what are the ways that the team is finding solutions to the needs into the marketplace so stay with us we’ll be right back [Music] Shh over here here’s a secret for a virus free computer ISA they’ve been a pioneer in the antivirus industry for over 25 years 25 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experience but you’re also in it are offering to be just instinctively masculine yeah we didn’t want it to just state from then on it as we see women’s products that just state for men like oh okay that’s supposed to be for me we wanted to be instinctively masculine something that a gentleman with handle would pride but also wouldn’t be off-putting so that their significant other whether that was a man or a woman would feel invited to to spoil him knocking are good or even kind of stealing it for themselves and so you know what we were thinking of assembling things this idea of bootlegging this idea of moonshine that says you’re just taking masculine things tobacco whiskey beer just things that we find instinctively masculine putting them into grooming we haven’t seen that really done before and so for us we feel like the packaging is what generates the interest and create that like pride of ownership we feel like our sweet honey tobacco aroma is what inspires the the emotional bond a lot of time you know when when a gentleman get the hold of our real mom and there’s almost 40 components in there and a lot of time it it gives them this feeling of nostalgia or you know they remember their grandpa or their dad or or some experience that they’ve had there’s so many things happening there to kind of stimulate a memory and you know we feel like something else that’s really important though is having a good feel I perform it not only that if a customer invest in them it’s not just a gimmick in buy it because maybe it looks interesting or smells good you know it actually works as you would expect and that’s also you know key for us to earn the professional business wands and barbers which is very important to us and so we we kind of ride this balance of wanting to always produce something that’s nostalgic yet modern and we feel like a lot of that has to do with the materials that we use and to kind of throw it back the prohibition materials just felt more substantial 100 years ago things were heavy things were durable and we like the idea of using substantial materials from the old school so we use heavy glass and you know three piece steel cans and but we we pair that with fresh and modern ingredients because as you said at the front you know today’s mixtures can be both high performance and even respectful of health and still feel old-school right right and you mentioned something that is interesting and that is that you wanted to stimulate a memory do you find that men arm are are much more sentimental than perhaps product manufacturers have geared brands for men around well I think everyone is unique I don’t think that the characteristic may be unique to men or women it’s an individual thing I suppose I think a lot of the time manufacturers or even business owners that he was matter to do with one specifically tend to think well you know men are more loyal than women or they these kind of token things and it’s like well if you’ve ever been cheated on with a man maybe maybe that wasn’t the case you know kind of their own unique thing going on we know that we can’t make something that everybody will love so so we just try to focus on on those kind of few things and and we do feel though that that aroma does have a lot to do with that that kind of emotional bond you know for me you know personally if I’m you know driving somewhere and I smell Frick fresh-cut grass but just to that certain kind of aroma just it instantly reminds me of being young and playing in my front yard or something mm-hmm and so I think I think everybody has that I would say what’s unique to men but it’s definitely something that we try to inspire even with some of the new you know aroma profiles that were assembling like our spiced tobacco and the food and other things that were working on because we just want to be able to kind of continue to enhance that if somebody’s is this feeling of nostalgia and I know as people think about utilizing a grooming product that has a tobacco aroma I will tell I will attest to the fact that it really is a beautiful as a female smelling it I really felt it was quite pleasant but as when you talked a little bit about the gentleman’s pride of ownership tell us a little bit of how that plays into the way that you’ve crafted the brand yeah we felt like them that there are definitely things that that men take pride in owning more than us a motorcycle a car if you different bought a guy a TV that he didn’t pick out you know the odds are that we’re taking that back we know which one we want we’re inviting our buddies over to watch UFC football or hockey or whatever our sports are and then as soon as everybody gets a bigger TV everybody goes to his house oh we don’t feel so great about our TV anymore there are things you know watches that we take pride in owning and everybody has a supposed their own particular poison but we felt like that grooming product that grooming good just become someone throw away got a lot of time there just a gentleman with using water in the shower head to tell or a bar a self head to toe or a woman shampoo that just happened to be there or maybe they were saying hey give me a bottle of this and get the cheapy it wasn’t always special and even when it comes to hair spray like we might use hair spray but there wasn’t a great hair spray for men maybe we just steal the woman’s under the sink and we don’t tell anybody about it so you know something that is very important is that pride of ownership something that feels instinctively masculine feel substantial feels uncommon and feels uniquely his and that’s something that we focus on with every single item that we that we produce just something that we feel like wow I’m going to keep this on my counter I’m going to keep that bottle clean and I’m going to take part in own it that’s not right right so what’s the hero product what it was is the where’s the centerpiece of the brand everybody tries to drink is the one in the whiskey flask we might have plans that the other ideas that we we come from professional Beauty we come from salons we come from barbershops and we just again happen to be men and so one of our hero items is manmade wash right and man-made wash there are three different sizes and they all look like whiskey’s there’s an 80s whiskey flask is a 32 ounce fifth of whiskey and then there’s a there’s a 64 back like back bar for the salons and barbershops that looks like a bathtub gin bottle you know we felt like a lot of men didn’t buy shampoo at a salon or in a barber shop maybe they were buying dyeing products but we knew they were probably using a soap a lot of men it looked like we were not buying a conditioner and I definitely were not buying a hair mask that was something that is men we don’t always get that we need the women’s to understand that they need and so our hair is the same material structure as women so maybe we do need that so so we thought look if we can make something look instinctively interesting on the mangoes is that whiskey oh no it’s shampoos can assure its body wash or maybe I’ll check that out right oh it has a backhoe I do it okay so now we’re pulling them in with something that maybe was unexpected but now we’re going to give them something great that they didn’t know they needed and really give it value so you know with man-made wash the 18 ounce is $24 for example to have a shampoo conditioner a body wash and a protein treatment and so if their skin clean without drying it out it gives them conditioning without weighing the hair down it gives them a protein treat is the strength in their errands thicken their hair without you know again causing any kind of you know issue to their scalp or weighing their hair down and so we felt like in that one product we can give them a lot of things as they don’t necessarily know that they wanted or need but it’s definitely something that they’re interested in if that makes sense absolutely absolutely well 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really ingredient focused and so you talk about high-performance what’s some of the things that you decided to bring into the brand on from an ingredient perspective so we put gasoline in poison ivy when we approach the ingredients deck the structure of a product first and foremost we think of you know what we want the outcome to be what was the user experience to be like so we try to be very purposeful with that and so our mixtures are simply a collection of raw materials that we blend to either address a concern or facilitate a purpose of function or a desired result for the consumer without gimmick and so you know our current offerings are mainly for hair but we do have some items coming up tsun4 for shaving for skin care for beard care and an ingredients do matter another thing that matters is just finding a good balance of those ingredients in a product so that way you know a product maybe if it’s a null and one doesn’t dry out the skin but it’s a great conditioner or you know it is cleaning this can feels great for the conditioner feels too greasy so that we spend a lot of time usually a year in a year and a half on each item so just try to find this balance and test it and use our expertise is beauty industry professionals to find some that would feel like men will appreciate and that professionals will be excited to get behind and support to put their reputation on the lines of the product and bringing it again right and then they might want to be clean but you know again don’t like that feeling a lot of times that soaps give them so you know we avoid things like sulfate based surfectants and that and it helps to mix in some nice ingredients like a quinoa for binding moisture and and giving the hair and skin a nice molecular weight of protein for the inside of the hair and kind of building that hair up and you know if you if you positively charged that and attracted the negatively charged damage in the hair and so now the guy gets a treatment that he didn’t even know he wanted so so hold on hold a second there because I think that for those gentlemen in our in our audience who are consumers who are listening them I want them to understand what that piece right there just meant because a lot of a lot of men because they haven’t had the opportunity to understand high-performance product don’t understand positive and negative charges so when you talk a little bit more about that in detail the corvids that men don’t always realize that that our hair of these is to be treated it needs strength if it’s breaking and snapping in the mid to the end it’s probably because it has a lack of protein you know a lot of people actually think that hair grows from the end of their they don’t even understand that it grows from the scalp and so you know when you when you have the history of being in the professional beauty industry versus maybe just parts that are maybe driven in the consumer market directly or – retail you know our expertise comes in handy to treat consumers better give them a better result and so if you’re looking at the you know the cortex part of the hair the inner part of the hair that there’s about 18 different amino acids in there not everybody has all 18 but what’s great about quinoa is that quinoa has 16 of those 18 amino acids right right inside the hair the concern becomes transparent it can be a concern to become brittle it can start to break maybe if you’re a man and getting color deposited color doesn’t stick or if your am angry and highlight which we do that the hair breaks more easily or becomes mushy and so you know having a product that has a nice quinoa protein in there and even not pair that with a weak protein for the perfect layer if you can introduce protein to different molecular weights and have them you know fill in those areas and the interesting thing about the damage in the inner part of the hair the cortex is that those holes are always negatively charged and opposites do what cutting traffic is like if you put some positively charged quinoa in there at the right molecular weight and you have 16 of the 18 amino acids that are typically found in hair a lot of time for any hair type you can fix it and you can fix it pretty well and make it stronger and more flexible and more durable and so you know kind of taking that expertise and saying look you know hair is 8% moisture the 2% mineral let’s put some doctors in there some macadamia glycerides kind of the buildings of the open the building blocks of Cobre macadamia oil and find some lightweight moisture and smooth the hair and shine the hair and fortify the hair but without having those negative impacts of weighing it down or making it feel too rigid or too crunchy so that feels like a again a special product mm-hmm if you pair that with a bit of a whisky bottle in a little sweet tobacco well now it might be really special right so the ingredients are very important to us in our upcoming shaving glide we’re using some melodic things like caffeine and taurine so that if the gentleman is looking to get a precision shave you know that with our shaving glad to have a transparent product that gives them a barrier from the razor the razor glides across the skin they don’t have to rinse it off they can just shave with any razor see what they’re shaving because there’s no cream blocking their vision they can see and line up the edges and get your sideburns and there their neckline like exactly how they want it but they don’t have to rinse the product they can leave it on and actually it’ll start to heal the skin and see the skin and give them this nice new aroma that we’re working on called spiced tobacco so ingredients in finding a balance in the mix are very very important to us and so right now the product has a honey tobacco and the upcoming shave glide will have a spiced tobacco Chuck can you explain how those two aroma decks are different yeah absolutely well if you’re thinking about like our honey tobacco’s some of the things that you kind of get in the beginning are citrus and a little bit of spicy saffron and then as it kind of starts to change and dry down the manuka honey from new zealand comes out the talk of being the vanilla those kind of sweet notes come out and those are very prominent and in our sweet tobacco and then is it really starts to settle the the woods come out they’re little darker the patchouli sandalwood beside you tobacco and musk and so our honey our sweet tobacco is something that we’re kind of very well known for they it really solid honey tobacco offering right so we wanted to have something that was a little bit of a departure but also could complement the other one if you were mixing the two if you’re using shaving glide or some of the oils or other things that we have coming up with that new spice tobacco aroma profile that it wouldn’t you know combat the the sweet tobacco that you might have in your styling products so they tend to work together very nicely but I will say that the spice tobacco it has some of the deep wood notes it has a little bit of must to it it is a little more spicy it is a little more vanilla not as sweet and so it gives you this idea of just a nice mellow pipe tobacco with like a kick of spice okay all right then the sweet tobacco right okay great all right well we are going to take another break and when we come back we’ll turn our attention a little bit towards the business side and talked to the industry in terms of where the brand is going and some of the things that they’re doing to make sure that the brand is able to reach the customer so stay with us we will be right back [Music] here’s the thing about beauty it’s pretty at american-made beauty calm we’re all about the pretty making it easy for you to find what makes your beauty shine we have essentially everything you need and american-made beauty calm celebrates brands that were created right here in the US of A imagine everything you need from the best 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flies we’re in our last segment here I’m Patti Schmucker at radio a and B here on healthy life net and my guest oz Astin Lafond from 1821 man-made is a mens brand that was inspired by the Prohibition period and the idea of giving men a pride of ownership in a brand that is unique with high performance so and tell us a little bit about from a business perspective where is the brand now in terms of its growth and what’s some of your upcoming goals yeah and so right now we’re currently in a few thousand salons and barbershops across North America and we do have salons and barbershops in the Benelux which we’re really excited about now so a Luxembourg Belgium in the Netherlands we have a new importer in the Nordic region and also in Australia and so you’ll find us very heavily in salons and barbershops we did just go wide with life spa on lifetime fitness so that’s 100 locations across the country that’s very well known for taking good care of their male client base and we’re fitting into that makes really well with our retail and our service solutions you know we do have a great partnership with Amazon luxury beauty and so that way if you’re an Amazon shopper which a lot of people are it’s so it’s going to be guaranteed to be the same price it’s always guaranteed to be for Mazdas guaranteed to be authentic and original Amazon protects us there and so as we continue to grow it really will just be a couple of things starting to find us in in more areas more salons more barber shops there’s still several states that were not in in North America that we’re seeking our distributor partners for Mexico and Canada are going to be the next step for us because they’re so close to home here and then there’s a few countries over in the EU that we’d love to get to later this year particularly in the fall number shop business through distributors so we want to get over to the UK and France Germany Italy and a couple other nice countries over there and before the end of this year we’ll have several new offerings for our product collection which is now mostly centered around hair with the exception of our sweet tobacco spirits that’s that’s a perfume we’re pretty well known for that particularly on YouTube if you look for it but before the end of this year we’re going to introduce some products a shaving glide so that the gentlemen can have a precision shaving Buddha shaving pay for traditional shaving experience and anti-aging shave lotion for skin care and just use the skin after shaving I’ll talk about oil and a time for scope health and hair growth and hair fall out a few more things and the focus for us is always two things really it’s trying to give gentlemen something that bills they’ll take part in owning giving them a product offering that has a lot more function so they can kind of have more value in the product and then for the for the strong professional for the barber professional something that they feel excited to give to their gas but the guests will appreciate that help them grow a new piece for their business and take better care of their gifts so as we expand those kind of core values we’ll just keep going with us everywhere we go and I know that you mentioned earlier that on how what is really strong with regards to education how has that played into your professional commitment how are you bringing education into your brand as well we’ve had 18:21 in business for a few years now in our fourth year of business and you know on how when he approaches any kind of cutting system or creating any kind of cutting system he’s not a purist and so he tends to pull from free porn cutting and condensed cutting precision cutting and a lot of different other things to get a to have techniques but to accomplish a haircut in a quicker more efficient way and I saw him do what typically somebody does in 45 minutes on a guest I want do it in ten minutes and and I was like wow you know that can really be so helpful for salon and barber professionals because you know the quicker or the more efficient we can make them with their haircutting technique then we start to incorporate things that maybe don’t take skill that they can put into their service which can help elevate the guests experience make the guests feel more special and so typically our educational offerings get facilitated through our distributors and we center around creating a more noble experience for their guests and pairing that with cutting cutting technique and cutting programs that make the professional quicker and more efficient and I love the whole idea of a more noble experience tell us a little bit about what that looks like why different men out there a lot of different needs not everybody has the same needs or desires or passions and so for some men they might just want to go get their hair cut and they don’t care what it looks like when they’re done you get it off my head and they want to pay as little amounts of money as possible for that we tend to not really we’re not really putting on an effort into to helping that that particular gentleman out you know we’re a little more interested in the the consumers who are looking to have inspiration for their next look they want to take better care of themselves they’re trying to find a more elevated option and a lot of time whether you’re going to a salon or a barber shop sometimes the professionals they forget that that’s actually a service that they’re offering you know those those customers those consumers as their guests and so sometimes you know well human and as we go through our day sometimes you know we don’t always keep in our mind you know how special we’re treating this guest how are we impacting their day or how are we impacting their life through you’re giving them the style that they want or a special experience while they’re there and a lot of times you becomes very Center ground you’re getting getting their hair the way that they want it and trying to move on to the next person right and so you know for us whether we’re partnering with a salon that has different needs from a barber shop we always try to incorporate a massive piece in our education not only for the cutting not only for the business but also to treat their guests in a more noble manner to truly create this noble experience and sometimes it’s centered around things that again don’t take skill like a haircut does it could be as simple as a way to greet them properly so they feel honored they feel respected they feel confident you’re going to take care of them are or drinking the Cape in a certain way just shaking it in further face and throwing your previous guests hair up up in their face right right something more functional does it feel more elegant you know maybe a consultation that’s centered around you know getting to more of a custom crafted look or making sure that they know you’re going to take care of them on their next appointment and then style coaching is something that’s key to us so whenever you have somebody sitting in your chair you know don’t just give them great style if you’re hearing the compliment Oh nobody blow-dry my hair like you do that’s a bad thing to hear if you’re professional right really what you want is that guess going home and knows exactly what brush to use exactly how to use the dryer how to use the cold button what product to put in their hair when to put it in their hair how to finish it so that they can always look and feel good all the time it’s the style Kosh is something that’s very important to us but we try to think of all these these systems and issues and again it’s beyond the product but it’s centered around the product at the same time so it’s kind of something again for professionals that that they can help make their guests feel more special and something for the guests that they feel better about themselves right especially well this has been great I have absolutely loved learning more about about what you guys have done Austin and the inspiration I truly do think that it is has the potential to be lightning in the bottle and just congratulations for all the great work that you’ve accomplished in the past and you’re accomplishing at this point you’re very kind thank you so much and could we do put like in every bottle and you know the love being one of the co-founders making 21 band-aids and actually being able to pick it out and flooring again and barbershops and talk to consumers and see the positive reaction that so many people are having with the brand and there’s nothing better than that other than your family right so thanks for the opportunity I really appreciate you and I hope that your audience thought of least you great and that they can find it on the places you already said but also the website 18:21 may man made you Charles W in front 181 man-made calm that’s that’s direct to us and then obviously yeah the other retailers that I mentioned in if somebody is looking for a local option we do have an opportunity our website to find a socket so they can just put in their zip code where they’re at or it will use their locations to just something nearby great thanks for being with us that’ll do it for us today next week join us as we learn about two very special new brands Sarah Dudley a family of son will be with us and Sarah Stein of a very old but glamorous brand called borghese skincare be with us I’m patty Schmucker thanks for listening to radio a and B where we think pretty is pretty important in all things in beauty [Music] you [Music]