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	Podcast:		Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive
	Episode:		Andrew Dickens: Is it Russia vs Ukraine or Russia vs NATO?
	Category:		News & Politics
	Duration:		00:04:02
	Publish Date:		2022-04-07 04:42:20
	Description:		So let's talk about the war Is it Ukraine versus Russia? Yes. On one level. But Russia's beef is with NATO's influence in Ukraine. So it's really a proxy war of Russia versus NATO. And the big cheese in NATO is America. Sure France and Germany and Spain have big concerns because the fight is on their continent. But in terms of global geopolitics, this is the States' circus. So will it escalate to a full World War? Well NATO seems to want to inflict an unconditional defeat on Russia. One where Putin goes, that's regime change. That's a biggie. That's messing with another country's sovereignty. You've got to leave the loser with dignity. We achieved regime change in 1918 and we ended out back in an even bigger war 21 years later. So it will continue and maybe escalate until Putin finds a way to either win, or lose and save face. Now Putin will not be saving face if people like UK's Prime Minister Boris Johnson keeps saying things like sanctions against Russia will continue, no matter what Russia’s position is or Biden continuing to call him a war criminal, even though he most likely is, and promising a reckoning in the International Courts. Putin and his regime are being threatened with being backed up against a wall and being shot at until they disappear. Nobody fights like a cornered rat. Particularly one who's old, arrogant, isolated and fond of necking steroids. Which brings me to New Zealand. Currently, we are tut-tutting. Others are helping to shoot the cornered rat. Many of us want us to make a bigger move and truck some missiles to Ukraine. All of us fall into emotional rhetoric when explaining our rationale. So putting a logical hat on. I have no problem with us backing off going to lethal aid. Our lethal aid is minimal. Virtue signalling at best. I have no need to be in lockstep with NATO. They're the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation and not the South Pacific. I'm certainly supportive. By backing off from putting knives in the fight we will become one of the few countries that has not directly militarily threatened Russia which puts us in a unique position when the endgame comes I'm happy that we might be able to help pick up the pieces while there's still pieces to pick up. If our current position means we might be able to help broker a resolution I think that is a far greater donation to world security than a couple of hundred Javelins. By the way, if this were China into Taiwan that would be a completely different story. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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