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President Trump won’t win his battle with Pope Leo
Category: Religion & Spirituality
Duration: 00:59:17
Publish Date: 2026-04-16 04:00:00
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This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with John Carr, founder of Georgetown University’s Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life.

In “Signs of the Times,” a cross-promotion of America’s roundtable discussion between Ashley, Sam Sawyer, S.J., the president and editor in chief, and Colleen Dulle, Vatican correspondent and co-host of “Inside the Vatican,” on President Trump’s unprecedented social media attack on Pope Leo XIV.

00:00 President Trump's words for Pope Leo

1:55 Pope Leo's criticism of war

3:14 Pope Leo's response to Trump

5:26 U.S. Bishops respond to Trump

6:22 Reactions to Trump's tirade

8:03 Did Trump influence Leo's election?

11:00 Don't take the President's bait

14:40 Impact on U.S.-Vatican relations

19:10 John Carr wanted to be a priest and a senator

21:25 Catholic teaching on mass deportations

30:32 Catholic social teaching is a long, reliable tradition

37:05 Is social justice redeemable?

47:10 How money influences Catholic priorities

50:13 First impressions of Pope Leo

 Links for further reading: 

John Carr: Lessons from 50 years at the intersection of Catholic social teaching and public life

Reactions: President Trump lashes out at Pope Leo XIV

Trump is trying to distract us from Pope Leo’s calls for peace. Don’t take the bait.

Trump lambasts Pope Leo: ‘I’m not a fan.’

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