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The video version of this conversation can be found here.
Sam is joined by Phil Drysdale who breaks down what Spiral Dynamics is and how useful it can be for those both in faith and outside of it.
You can find/follow Phil here: Website Instagram Twitter
Resources mentioned in this episode: Phil's story Phil's Spiral Dynamics playlist Me, We, Everybody Pt 1 Me, We, Everybody Pt 2 Me, We, Everybody Pt 3 Me, We, Everybody Pt 4
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