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	Podcast:		Maintainable
	Episode:		Marty Haught: Rethinking Technical Debt—Is It Really Just Drift?
	Category:		Technology
	Duration:		00:52:39
	Publish Date:		2025-02-18 08:00:00
	Description:		Episode Overview Marty Haught joins Robby to discuss the sustainability of open-source projects, the challenges of maintaining RubyGems, and why the metaphor of technical debt may not fully capture how software ages. Instead, he suggests thinking of it as drift—the natural misalignment of software with its evolving purpose over time. They also dig into security challenges in package management, including how Ruby Central worked with Trail of Bits to audit RubyGems. Marty also shares insights on the EU Cyber Resilience Act and how it might affect open-source maintainers worldwide. Finally, they explore how companies can support open-source sustainability through corporate sponsorships and individual contributions. Topics Discussed [00:01:00] The two pillars of maintainable software: good tests and readability. [00:02:40] From Perl to Ruby: How readability changed Marty's approach to programming. [00:07:20] Is technical debt the right metaphor? Why "drift" might be a better fit. [00:11:00] What does it take to maintain RubyGems? Marty's role at Ruby Central. [00:14:00] Security in package management: How RubyGems handles vulnerabilities. [00:16:40] The role of external audits: Partnering with Trail of Bits for security improvements. [00:20:40] EU Cyber Resilience Act: How new regulations might affect open-source projects. [00:26:00] Funding open source: Why corporate sponsorships are becoming essential. [00:33:40] Advocating for technical debt work in teams: How to make a compelling case. [00:38:20] Processes in distributed teams: Balancing structure with flexibility. Key Takeaways Technical debt is often misunderstood. The real issue may not be shortcuts taken in the past, but the way software naturally drifts from its original purpose. Security in package management is a growing concern. Open-source ecosystems like RubyGems require continuous investment to remain secure. Open source needs sustainable funding. Relying on volunteers is not a long-term solution—companies need to contribute via corporate sponsorships. Advocating for code improvements requires strategy. Engineers should frame technical debt discussions around business impact, not just code quality. Resources Mentioned Marty Haught on LinkedIn Marty Haught on Twitter Ruby Central RubyGems Auditing the Ruby Ecosystem’s Central Package Repository – Trail of Bits EU Cyber Resilience Act Overview What the EU's New Software Legislation Means for Developers (GitHub Blog) Ruby Central Open Source Program – Get Involved Corporate Sponsors Program Give and Take by Adam Grant Connect with Marty LinkedIn Twitter BlueSky Thanks to Our Sponsor! Need a smoother way to share your team's inbox? Jelly’s got you covered!
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