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When Federal Agents Ignore Court Orders: What Happens to Democracy? | Secure Talk with Claire Finkelstein
Category: Technology
Duration: 00:44:41
Publish Date: 2026-02-10 16:06:18
Description:

What happens when federal law enforcement refuses to follow court orders? In Minneapolis, ICE agents denied state investigators access to crime scenes despite court-issued warrants—a breakdown that national security experts had been warning about for months.


Dr. Claire Finkelstein, Professor of Law at University of Pennsylvania and Director of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law, saw this coming. In October 2024, she ran a tabletop exercise with over 30 retired military leaders simulating exactly this scenario: federal forces confronting state National Guard during civil unrest. The simulation escalated to violence faster than anyone expected, with few off-ramps once momentum built.


Now that simulation is playing out in real time.


Dr. Finkelstein has been on the legal front lines, representing 155 members of Congress before the Supreme Court. When the Court ruled the administration couldn't use National Guard troops as they intended, ICE agents surged instead—creating the confrontation we're seeing today.


The questions are urgent: Can states prosecute federal agents who commit crimes in their jurisdiction? What happens when federal authorities claim immunity? How do soldiers follow orders when they can't trust those orders are lawful? The Supreme Court's immunity decision has made these questions harder to answer.


This conversation explores what happens when rule of law meets political will, and what remains when the institutions designed to protect democracy face their greatest test.

#CyberSecurity #NationalSecurity #Democracy #RuleOfLaw #Minnesota #Minneapolis


Resources: 
Finkelstein, Claire. (2026, January 21). We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minessota is exactly how they start. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/21/ice-minnesota-trump
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